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I'm the founder and admin of the Infinite Dendrogram Wikia, which I started last year. In light of the fact that an anime is quite possibly on the horizon for the series, I was hoping to discuss the possibility of the Infinite Dendrogram Wikia becoming an affiliate of the Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Wikia.
Hey..Spectra...since U know Japanese better, Can U please check the part where 4 dragons of labyrinth & Wenti were evolved in WN c164....Since I read in the translations that though they got only 5,000 souls unlike evolution of demon lord which requires 10,000 souls, their strength was equivalent to the awakened demon lords. So..just want to know if that is correct.
Also, about the difference between Wenti becoming a Dragon king & the other 4 dragons becoming Dragon king since I'm having confusion if the author meant they are on the same level.
Wenti and the 4 Dragon Kings didn't evolve into Demon Lords. They were just named using the energy converted from 5000 souls each. Wenti remained a Death Dragon and the 4 Adult Dragons evolved into actual Dragon Kings.
But their 'strength' is equal to True Demon Lords, yes. (Although not sure about Wenti, but she is also 'probably' the same strength or lower).
Yo Spectra...say what do you think about the above mentioned 2 terms..?
Are they same or different since Milim bought Adult Dragons to the Labryinth which then evolved due to Veldora's aura & evolved again due to gaining 5,000 souls & a name by Rimuru (Indirectly, though still named by ramiris).
well dragon king was a title that rimuru gave to the 4 dragons for fun and because it sounded cool as for true dragon king is what they evolved into after being named and given the energy of 5000 souls :)
hmm i think the dragon king page should be renamed as true dragon king instead since like i said it was a title given by rimuru and we should saprate the dragons from the true dagons since they are completely saprate races/beings
if i remember correctly rimuru said when he named the dragons that they became true dragon kings not just in name (we should really saprate dragons from true dragons since i don't think there is any way for a dragon to become true dragons)
Hey...I just found in the WN chapter 164 Rewards & Evolution III tthat it is mentioned that they do turn into true dragon kings...here...this is the paragraph from the WN translation by gurotranslations.
"So then, I resurrected Michelle and Raymond as her assistants. It was not a partial revival, but a full-blown resurrection. With their Nucleic Hearts intact, complete soul revival was possible, and they were still able to use their Skills. I felt that that wasn’t enough to thank Ramiris, so I granted names to the 4 Dragon Kings in a similar way to Wenti. After all, they were worked to the bone in recent events and even died a few times, rewarding them was a matter of course. Dragons who were said to be potentially stronger than Arch Demons, but their natural evolution had limits. With that in mind, I provided each with 5000 souls and had Ramiris name them. I was again using souls as an alternate to Energy. The results were splendid and the Dragon Kings had now become true ‘Dragon Kings’.
They were still Adult Dragons, Rimuru just called them Dragon Kings bcoz it was cool. But after naming, they became 'actual' Dragon Kings. there is no such thing as a "True Dragon King"
Here, it says "kekka wa touzen seikou shi, ryuu ou wa shin naru imi de, "Ryuu Ou" ni shinka shita." which is something like "The results were naturally a success that/where, the Dragon Kings in the truest meaning, evolved into "Dragon Kings"."
I also just went to Chapter 146 and it says that they "evolved to Dragon King class", meaning they were still Adult Dragons, but they were so strong after absorbing Veldora's aura that they were 'basically' Dragon Kings.
I'm thinking this is kind of like how Guy is insanely strong, way stronger than Diablo who is a Demon God, but Guy is still not racially a Demon God. If Guy ever evolved, in this context, he would be "a Demon God in it's truest meaning" i.e. a "true 'Demon God' ".
Yeah...in that sense it could be like that so anyways I'll be depending on you for coorect translations then since the translations I read are kinda not accurate.
Also, what do U think abou my comment reagarding the Special A rank..on rank page..?
they are higher species of humans yes if you wonder what they get for evolving well aside from becoming stronger for saints and true heros they become capable of reincarnating when their bodies reach their limit of life span while keeping their whole powers and memories (you could say it's a special kind of immortality) intact & demi gods are immortal :)
hmm that's a hard question well like i said they are higher species all their abilities are beyond human so you could think of them as a separate species I guess since they have left their human shells behind to grow stonger :)
hmm i could accept the hero but the demi god is a human that manges to break his core(whatever that is) and be able to exist as a spirit body alone without a body according to rimuru's words I don't think it's considered a title LOL I also don't think that there are any human that knows that the demi god lvl exist other than the TWO demi gods that we know about chloe and leon so I don't think demi god is a title since demi gods are spiritual life forms like demon lords while true heroes aren't
"so I don't think demi god is a title since demi gods are spiritual life forms like demon lords while true heroes aren't" --- Demon Lord is also a title if u recall. If you think of it from a game standpoint, then a title is granted to a player when they fulfill certain conditions and then that title grants the player bonus effects. In the TenSura-verse, those bonus effects would be to have infinite lifespan for Demon Lords.
and traditionally, across all media, the Hero is considered to be something like the "Knight of God". They are on the side of humanity and are bestowed "holy powers" to slay the "evil Demon Lord/King". In that sense, the Demi God would be the next step above that, where the godly holy powers bestowed on the Hero is enough for the person to enter partial godhood.
and besides Fuse is quite inconsistent when it comes to titles and races. If you read the WN in its early stages (save urself some time and just read the Title page) has problems with the orc evolution tree and also the demon evolution tree
and besides Fuse is quite inconsistent when it comes to titles and races (LOL I AGREE hahahah) and traditionally, across all media, the Hero is considered to be something like the "Knight of God". They are on the side of humanity and are bestowed "holy powers" to slay the "evil Demon Lord/King" (well we aren't in a traditional novel according to tensura the description of heroes here is that they are beings that stand against everything and everyone be it demons or even gods for the sake of their OWN form or view of justice) also have we ever came to appreciate the fact that their have never been any hero that we know in the novel that have been trully selfless I mean all the heroes (Leon , Rudra and even chloe) have been working and fighting for their own selfishness and agendas i don't think you can use the typical hero description for any of this novel's heroes (sorry for this rant :) ) also I think I can agree that True demon lord is a title if i see it from your point of view
I know you're awfully busy with this wiki (I began to watch the anime, and is pretty good). I am wondering when you get the time to; I began to start a fanon site for Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken, and I hoping you could help me format it. Usually, I try to use similar code from the Media CSS to make it "like the official site to make it feel like you're actuallg making characters in the universe of whateer". I want the site to be similar to this official, so it has the feeling of "Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken wiki but fanon". However, when I do that, it tends to go downhill and the coding simply fails, forcing me to do other things.
Thank you for reading and understanding. I await for your response.
Yeah, thanks for that. There was another site, but it had no CSS coding at all. I try to make a "fanon" be developed in its coding, to make it feel like it's a fanon pertaining to that particular media, as that could motivate someone to make something. Thank you for also pointing me to the right direction for help.
umm..Hey.. I guess it was my fault...so sorry for not realising that SSS is just fan made(also soryy my comment is so long) so I'll correct the edits which I made based on that..but what i want know is that if all the info in edits that I made are based on the or taken from the WN & if you've read it whole then U too must know that the info regarding ranks & EP given in it is pretty confusing...so if i made changes according to that to make sense of that confusing info like, I made the variation for A rank from 9,000 to less than or equal to 1,000,000 since a self proclaimed lord is atleast A rank, which was stated in this wiki when i 1st read this wiki so believing that true I thought a True Demon Lord should be a S rank having atleast an EP of 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 since it was stated in WN that turning into one increases one's EP by 10 times.Also, that A rank is EP 140,000+ which was already stated in this wiki and I made some other based edits on that...so would that be considered Vandalism as I edited info based on the info already given..?Also, do U think we Should consider A rank to be EP:100,000..since then it would make much more sense..? Also, Thnx for reading uptill now..lol :)
Also, aren't self proclaimed Demon Lords and (normal) Demon lords different since the later is recognised by the other Demon Lords & thus is stronger than former.So...would mind having a discussion with me regarding some things that I think & would like if U approve of it on this wiki..??
It's alright if you editted in good faith. My main problem was people adding new ranks that don't exist. I do agree that the EP and ranks in the later stages aren't clear. In fact, after chapter 211, Fuse-sensei basically ditches the whole numerics for EP and just says 'this guy's EP is this much higher than that guy'.
I myself thought that S started from 400,000 until i went to chapter 74 again and saw Diablo was 444,000 and still considered an A+. So S starting from 1,000,000 might be fine.
Also, keep in mind that Fuse-sensei never once stated exactly from which EP SS starts from, so I might keep it a '???' later (unless you do it before me).
FInally, just make sure any edits to the EP is a proper and concrete calculated and educated estimation rather than something that 'looks good' or is from the top of your head.
So..is it ok to write deductive info from WN by which I mean is that is it ok to base info from WN. Like for eg. When Veldora stated that revived damrada & kondo's EP is not equal to 10 awakened demon lords but half of it, from which it can said that have an EP of 5,000,000(+) as 10 times 1,000,000 is 10,000,000.
Then, Diablo stated damrada's EP was almost 2x of his so that could mean Diablo's base EP is 2,500,000+. However, later Diablo transforms into his Ultimate/Combat form which enables him to double his EP i.e., 5,000,000+.
Also, earlier while fighting kazaream Benimaru states that Diablo is still Stronger than him since he experienced complete defeat on every match in the labryinth with him. But benimaru is a higher divine spirit also his base EP was more than 200,000 and evolving into a True Demon Lord leads to 10x the Base EP. So he could be having an EP of atleast 2,000,000+ which we could Maybe consider SS rank since Benimaru,Diablo & the likes are just too powerful for S rank.
And this is that I meant by using Deductive statements. Although, it just seems like fan theory it is just based on the info provided by the WN.
So do you approve of something like this..? Plz let me know..
Also, I would like to talk about the creation of a page & and can I give a suggestion regarding vandalism...?
Also, can we have a live chat since the time between us replying to each other is too long..if you do not mind..?
If we assume SS to be starting from 2M, almost all of Rimuru's Twelve Patrons should be SS rank if calculations are correct. And Benimaru is not a higher divine spirit than Diablo really. Benimaru is probably the weakest among the power trio of Tempest since his skills are mostly to command armies. Both Diablo and Zegion are more powerful than him.
Also, until we get information from the LN, the information from the WN is all we have. So an edit based on that should be okay. A small suggestion I'd give would be to mention in the Trivia section about where (the chapter number) the EP comparisons were mentioned, although it's not absolutely necessary.
Well I by no means am saying benimaru is higher than diablo or rimru's 12 patreons are same since diablo is the highest demonic spirit ...but what i mean is that the character below:
Diablo, Benimaru, Zegion, Kumara, Ranga & Shion
are only too powerful for S rank while Souei, Testarossa, Ultima, Carrera, Apito are S rank & Gabil, Gerudo, Adalman, Moss are all A+[EP:400,000+] rank.Also it would make sense since turing in a True Demon lord reults in 10x the base EP but the awakening of an Ultimate Skill is also necessary So it only makes sense. & since the 1st 6 above mentioned had an EP more than 200,000 & were stong enogh to awaken an Ultimate Skill.
And since there are True Dragons,Demi-Gods,Guy Crimson & also the Great Demon Lord(which ofcourse, should be acknowledged by the VOTW) too...which just makes it too many indivuals whose power are unknown without a fixed Benchmark.So I want U to consider the idea of considering SS rank as 2,000,000+ since although it is not stated directly but we can consider it indirectly since it is still within rules as it is taken form the original/official sourece...right..?
However, my point is Whether or not we should consider statements like what I mentioned in my previous to be true since they are somewhat like indirect facts. Also I'll mention from where the comparison are made but i dont know how to create sections...so..
And can I edit the EP parts of pages so they make sense but however not deviating from the facts of WN..?
Well..somebody just re-edited it again to 2,000,000+...maybe we should put a disclaimer on the main page or all pages or some selected pages like DO NOT EDIT WHATEVER U THINK BEFORE DISCUSSING IT IN THE COMMENTS OR WITH THE ADMINS. OTHERWISE U SHALL BE BANNED.... LOL
Well thnx..but I didnt do it just to be clear..lol, but seriously what are we supposed to as everyone just edits anything as he/she likes....as while u were inactive God rank was inserted in the rank couple of times & many misleading edits are made weekly..
Lol I just check the WN (both translated and raw) and Shuna was also considered A rank even if her EP was 12,000 (Hakurou too at 65,500) XD this is so confusing. What is Fuse-sensei doing.
I'm currently editing the entire Tempest Tournament page, so I can't search for myself, but... try to find somewhere in the WN if it says anywhere that A- starts for 9,000 or not. I left all the ranks below A+ rank untouched ever since I joined the wiki because I was unsure about it.
If it isn't stated that A- starts from 9000, then i'd suggest making it 10,000+ and for A rank, 100,000+
(This is only my guess so don't trust it, but, either Shuna is supposed to be an A- rank or her EP is supposed to 120,000. Maybe a typo? idk lol)