The consensus about divinity is that any incarnated spiritual life-form with an EP of at least 2 million, give or take, is automatically divine.

My question is, what does it mean about creatures that were not said to be spiritual life-forms, and yet were said to have EPs in the millions if not tens of millions? I'm mainly talking about Vega's Evil Dragon Beasts and the super-strong Cryptids that accompanied Ivarage.

I'm asking because the fandom seems to categorize every creature with an EP of 2 million or more as divine, even if they were not specifically said to be spiritual life-forms. The Evil Dragon Beasts, for instance, are said in their page to be divine, and are included in the Divinity page as well, but in the story, they were never said to be divine or even spiritual life-forms.

For that matter, the later volumes seem to somewhat undersell divine beings in general, as they are supposed to be able to regenerate from anything as long as their heart core is intact, and yet are shown to be killed by seemingly normal attacks, albeit very strong ones. How does that work out? Does it have to do with the fact that those who attack them are also divine?

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Any idea for me to join in discord? Already try the given link but apparently being unable to join it.

What is the logic behind the katakana of unique skills? I mean, those that simply transliterate english words like the sin series are obvious, but most of the others don't make sense to me.

One of the few things that does make sense about them is that most of them end in モノ (mono), which means "thing" if google is to be believed, so it's probably just meant to represent the 者 (sha) kanji, which means "person" or "'one (who is or does something)."

But the first part of the katakana of those unique skills whose katakana ends in モノ is usually nonsensical. Or, at the very least, if I run it through translators or googles it, it has a completely unrelated meaning. But obviously, Fuse chose to use these katakana for a reason, so there must be some logic behind this.

So, in a nutshell, what am I missing here?

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I haven't seen an a much update to the page after volume 23 will it take a while before the change

In fact, for those who have read Vol 23, how are the Existence Values of the characters who participated in the battle against Ivarage and his army estimated ?

It can be a direct statement or an estimate based on the energy ratio; I'll make a level list.

So, Manipulation is partial control over x.

Domination is complete control over x.

Correct me if I'm wrong on either of those.

Therefore:

Gravity Domination (under Bahamut) is complete control over gravity.

Weather Domination (under Hastur) is complete control over weather

Sound and Wind Domination (under Hastur) is complete control over sound and wind.

Water and Thunder Domination (under Mephisto) is complete control over water and thunder (or lightning or electricity?).

What is the divine evolution of Gehenna Dragons? I mean, they are technically a type of Dragon Lord, who normally evolve into Divine Dragons, but since they are undead, do they evolve into some kind of variant?

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I was checking out the Chosen Heroes page to see which characters actually received a Hero Egg and I noticed Kenya isn’t listed, despite being blessed and chosen by a superior light spirit and receiving the queen of the spirits blessing. The superior light spirit even says that Kenya has the potential to become a hero, so is that not confirmation that he met all the requirements and received one??

Also it would be helpful if someone could add a statement about where Chloe and Hinata got their Hero Eggs from because right now you can’t tell if Chloe got her second Hero Egg by taking Hinata’s or just as a result of time travelling, and how Hinata lost her’s yet got a replacement from a copy of Granville

What types of damage are there?

Based on the Resistance skills, I'm guessing it's: Physical (Slashing, Piercing, and Blunt), Spiritual, Magical, Holy, Thermal (Heat, and Cold), and Natural (Fire, Water, Earth, and Wind). *Thermal is probably included in Natural.

Non-resistance related: Light, Dark, Spiritron, Gravity, and Spatial.

Spatial damage can only be blocked by a spatial barrier. Spiritron damage can only be blocked by a barrier if their moves are analyzed. But what about Gravity effects, as well as Light and Dark damage?

P.S.

I remember reading somewhere in a discussions that Light and Holy, as well as Darkness and Demonic, are related. Does this mean that Chaos Attack Resistance protects not only against Holy and Demonic, but also against Light and Darkness? Or, since it talks specifically about energy (Magicules and Holy Power), it doesn't affect the attributes themselves?

Fuse has left so many back doors open to write whatever, so I'm feeling very frustrated and uneasy.

Rimuru should just be himself. Ngl idc what yall say, Veldanava is dead and ain't coming back and Rimuru’s is the reincarnation of 37-year-old salaryman Satoru Mikami.

That's it. That's how it should be.

• Ivarage completes her evolution, acquiring an adult Dragonoid form.

• Ivarage is the incarnation of the End of Space and Time, thus the laws of the World such as ultimate skills or even infon-based attacks don't affect her.

• Kumara plays a major role, as her Beast unification and Beast Domination intrinsic skills evolve and are merged into Bahamut, so she can merge with a Cryptid Ruler (probably Swim).

• Gii and Velzard form a soul bond just like Rimuru and Veldora, allowing Gii to evolve just like he wanted in vol 18.

• Veldora gets a Manas (lol 😭😭 Fuse power my goat please...)

• Rimuru uses a powerful sword art using Nihility Collapse and the True Dragon magic Ciel combines using the pseudo-Veldanava, Veldora, and Velgrynd as cores for his draconic sword which would probably get named.

• Milim, Gaia and Kumara synergise their Earth spirit attacks to stall Ivarage.

• Rimuru defeats Ivarage and seals her away in the End of Space and Time under a stronger calculation prison. When he regains his strength, he frees her and creates a soul bond to her using her hatred as a foundation, and probably stores the rest of it in his Imaginary Space so Ivarage can start anew.

It'd be fun if Hinata found out that Rimuru’s receiving her nudes from Raine after the War lol.

What won't be fun is:

• "Rimuru’s a reincarnation of Veldanava..." that'd piss me off

What are yall's predictions?

The novel doesn't mention if Marco could use Kondou's Decipherer (unless it did and I missed it), only that he can't use Sandalphon.

STRENGTH (Battlewill, aura):

> Every majin emits an energy that can be used to enhance their attacks.* This is (probably) where the absolute of ranks comes from.

SPEED (Battlewill: Instant movement, spatial motion):

> Battlewill can be used to move faster as well.

DEFENSE (Barriers, spatial magic):

> Stacking ranged barriers to create multilayer barrier for example.

INTELLIGENCE (Magic, Infons):

> This is related to perceiving and discerning the nature of the world. E.g., 'Analyse & Assess' or 'Law Manipulation'.

DEXTERITY (Battlewill):

> Moving without taking any damage, or flawlessly executing your techniques... reminds me of 'Thought Acceleration' as well.

SPIRIT (Resistances):

> The Resistances and Nullifications ensure you can focus despite the situation.

CONSTITUTION (Magicules, Spiritrons, Divinity):

> The spot reserved for EV—existence value.

AP & Crits

• Some attacks are more than destructive, while others can go unnoticed and still deal crazy damage. Fuse separated the effects of different characters attacks, and used the Element and Attributes to guide how they're understood.

• Some characters have a specific Perception stat, like Ranga's Ultra Instinct, Luminas' Ultra Intuition or Veldora's Danger Prediction skills.

• Critsdepend on Luck, which is exclusively based on the Time Attribute, which is responsible for causality manipulation in the Tensura verse. This is where skills like Change Destiny, Action Alteration, Probability Manipulation seem to fall (I reckon).

World System skills

World system skills appear (to me) to be hyper-specialised buffs on the caster's magic that more-oft-than-not debuff their opponents.

> For example, Zegion’s World of Illusion is a skill that buffs his illusion-based skills that would force his opponents to make a wrong decision that opens gaps in their defense that he can capitalise on to land crits, or a combo of crits. So, it's a hyper Perception debuff stat.

> Meanwhile, Zelanus giving Sephirot to Zegion amped Mephisto, so that it could also deal Spirit Domination effects.

> Diablo's World of Temptation is a hyper Spirit debuff skill.

Anyway, this is my theory on how Fuse actually writes the skills on the backend, which we don't see in the main story.

I don't know if someone had already asked this but: Somewhere in the LN, I had read that demons have lineages, like Diablo for the Black Lineage.

My question is: How can a lineage increase? Would the primal one of that lineage pick a demon and make it as his own lineage? Or would the demon just automatically get assigned to one after maturing or having enough ego?

Veldanava, the creator of the Tensura verse, is the original True Dragon, the Star King.

• He created the Greater Holy Spirit of Light which split into the 7 Angels of Origin, unintentionally or expectedly, birthing the 7 Primordial Demons (vol 16).

• He named all 7 of them, and even named the Insectar Zelanus. Then, he sealed away Ivarage in the Otherworld, after the Angels and Gii couldn't beat it.

• He also gave 2 ultimate skills to his "sisters", Velzard and Velgrynd, trained the world's first True Hero Rudra and created 4(?) sets of Genesis grade weapons, which are superior to Mythical grade equipment (Volume 22).

• He and Lucia (Rudra's sister) had a daughter Milim (the 1 and only "Dragonoid") and he made a double of himself which became Gaia (Tensura manga, chapter 130).

• Even though it seems Veldanava died before even making any memories with Milim, he's still the guy with the craziest accomplishments in the Tensura verse, the biggest and most incredible feats.

Name: Veldanava.

Race: Supreme Chaos Spirit, Star King Dragon (True Dragon).

Attributes: Earth, Space.

Ultimate Skills: All Angelic Ultimate Skills.

The world of Tensura has the general notion that having more energy generally also means having greater physical abilities. However, even outside of that, there are many instances that imply that the higher the spiritual level of a creature, the greater their physical abilities become.

Mainly, there are all those effects that temporarily awaken you, which are likewise said to also greatly improve your physical strength, including the unique skill Divine Berserker, the extra skill Magic Flame Transformation, and the Holy Armaments.

Moreover, the Enlightened page flat out says that their demi-spiritual nature provides them with superior physical abilities.

However, it wasn't flat-out said in the story. At least, not that I've seen. So can anyone confirm this? Or refute this, if I'm wrong and just overthinking things.

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It was established that some spiritual particles, like magicules and spiritrons, are naturally occuring within spiritual and demi-spiritual worlds. However, what I wonder about more than anything is the implied capability of some creatures to generate these spiritual particles.

I mean, it was strongly implied that monsters are naturally capable of generating magicules, as their auras have a much higher concentration of magicules than the surrounding environment. However, is this ability to generate magicules on their own limited to monsters, or do all creatures have it, and it's just more effective in monsters because they are magicule-based?

Likewise, holy power and spiritrons are known to be the basis of holy magic, but it was never really established what their origin is. Spiritrons are known to be naturally occuring, but they don't usually exist independently, only as components of other spiritual particules. Holy power, meanwhile, doesn't seem to be naturally occuring, so how is it generated? Looking at magicules and monsters as example, is holy power generated by holy/chaos aligned creatures? And what about spiritrons? Can some creatures generate them as well?

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