Talk:Daemon/Daemon Lord/@comment-26571774-20190719092320/@comment-26144500-20190926175703

Guys, based on what Liamgw said, I think he means the LN version. In the "Lake Shore Dyed Scarlet Incident" side-story in volume 13.5 it is stated that some of Blanc's oldest subordinates are Dukes (or at least one of them).

The rules for Daemons are different in the Light Novel.

It is possible to become normally evolve beyond Arch Daemon into a Daemon Lord if one lives for 2000 years while staying at the upmost magicule limit of Arch Daemon (meaning to never lose once, since that can cause them to lose Magicules).

In the Light Novel version, Noir thus wasn't an Arch Daemon when he was summoned by Rimuru.

Also, I'm not fully sure, but it seems as though the Daemon nobility ranks in the LN instead refer to how ancient a daemon is. Look at the Daemon page of this wiki. (and it also goes along with the parts I've read in the LN volumes)

Progenitors are all Kings/Queens and the daemons who served them since Ancient Times seem to be the Dukes. (at least that would explain why Blanc has Dukes with her in her side-story and with her being refered to as their Queen).

Those from 3000+ years are Marquis and those from 1000+ are Counts.

There's also one more very important detail we learn about in volume 7. Here's a quote from the fan translation:

"Archdemons who have become 「Demon Lord Breed」 would, under the right conditions and surviving after thousands of years, would evolve to 「Demon Noble」."

(oh, and the Demon Lord Breed thing is because the "Seed" thing is apparently a bad translation. It's actually an evolution, one under True Demon Lord, so "breed" or "kin" fits better. The "Hero's Egg" is also not a thing in the LN.)

While it was stated in the web novel that Diablo evolve from being named, that was never stated in the Light Novel. He did gain more power, but when he told his name to people from the Church and Demon hunters in volume 7, he never implied that it caused him to become a Demon Noble. Instead he was more preocupied by the honor of having a name given by Rimuru and seemed to not care about his species rank. The way he explains it makes it feel disconnected from him having been named.

As such, based on this new info we learn about in volume 7, it is possible that Noir and Blanc (as well as Violet and Jaune) were all already Demon Noble class of the King/Queen status.

Based on that, it is also technically possible for there to be Dukes who are also Demon Noble class in terms of evolution yet still work under their respecitve Primordial/Progenitor King/Queen.

Going further, it's also possible that Vert/Mizari and Bleu/Rhein(Hirari is wn) evolved into Demon Nobles sooner than the others(Noir, Jaune, Blanc and Violet) due to being named and getting more souls under Rouge/Guy Crimson. After all, it appears that it takes an incredibly long time to naturally evolve into a Demon Noble.

I agree that it's weird how the nobility ranks are used for the age of the Daemon while there also being a separate evolution class called "Demon Noble". Maybe the name for that one isn't translated correctly, or maybe it's just a different Japanese term that also means nobility, just with it being used here as something separate form the nobility ranks.

And so, after Daemon Lord(which is Demon Lord Breed/Class equivalent in power) comes Daemon Noble, and then it will likely be Daemon King/Queen like in the wn (maybe).

Finally, there's one last thing I'd like to point out. In the LN, it's not just Primordials/Progenitoes who naturally evolved to Demon Lord class. It' s instead that any Arch-Daemon older than 3000 years old (Marquis) can easily break through the limit and become Demon Lord class without needing a name. Heck, even 1000+ years old Daemons who are good enough can break through their magicule limits(though it is far more difficult for them).

As such, it does make sense for very ancient daemons from Ancient Times who have serves their Primordial King/Queen since that time to have also achieved Demon Noble class, hence them being Dukes.