Talk:WN/Azathoth/@comment-26144500-20170325074704/@comment-6016076-20181116225451

Web novel spoilers up to final chapter: 1. It's revealed later you can create skills from scratch without needing to synthesize them from filial components. The only prerequisites are having knowledge of the skill's design (in this case Ciel, not just her intelligence but also as a manas of Lucia) and a whole lot of energy to achieve the evolution (which was the case for Rimuru at that moment).

2. Turn Null is a pretty exclusive ability. It's the unique ability to create and destroy planets, how Veldanava formed the universe essentially. It's not like there are going to be multiple skills with access to the most powerful magic in the world. If Turn Null exists anywhere, it's probably only once, and therefore if one has it, by implication they would also have Void God Azathoth.

3. The very name of the skill substantiates the above point. Azathoth is the supreme god of gods in Lovecraft's universe. He's basically the closest equivalent to Veldanava. For example, the 2nd and 3rd most powerful deities in Lovecraft are Nyarlathotep and Yog-Sothoth, the former belonging to Veldora and the latter to Chloe. Both of these skills are extremely overpowered and well suited to Veldora and Chloe, as befitting the 2nd/3rd supreme status of their Lovecraftian heritage, yet neither skill is sufficiently strong enough for Turn Null. If 2nd/3rd aren't enough, then only #1, Azathoth, the strongest god in the strongest skill series (the angel/demon series *evolve into* Lovecraftian skills), only Azathoth can be enough. For consistency of the skill names and skill series, it makes sense for the pinnacle of the Lovecraftian skill series to possess the pinnacle of magic, and no other skill to be capable of it. If Veldanava had Turn Null, there is no other skill in the heirarchy of skill series in the entire web novel that would make sense to have furnished him with Turn Null.

4. Additionally, Azathoth is the singular god of the void. Turn Null is void energy. They match like a pair.

5. Veldanava kind of had all skills. We see this with his sword. If you want to bet on whether Veldanava did or did not have a skill, it's safer to bet that he *did* have it, statistically. And, as we saw with time leap, any OP skill that Rimuru finds simply gets subordinated under Void God Azathoth, so probably Veldanava had Azathoth with Turn Null under it.

Veldanava was portrayed as a lonely being at the pinnacle of supremacy. Therefore, he most likely did possess the most supreme skill for pure power, Void God Azathoth. It's not explicitly stated in front of our noses, but there are strongly compelling reasons why speculation should heavily lean in the affirmative.

Although I suppose one exception could be if there were some Origin skill. Not sure if that's a skill series or not, though since we only see one.